So, what side we thinking and why?

[JaMz]

..Why?

I really want to fly the Sabre, but I'm getting increasenly drawn to the dark side so I can get to those bombers in a Mig, I do hope one is not massively different than the other in terms of skill level 😊..

I think I'm right in saying the Sabre had a better roll, dive speed and arguably a better arnament to take down fighters with the Mig having a higher ceiling, climb rate and of course a nasty ass cannon

Edited May 31 by JaMz

[LuftManu]

I'm looking forward to each plane, but props are really interesting so I will try to fly the Il-10 a lot by release 🙂

 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

I'll fly both, which is not an option. However, I think I'll end up mostly doing ground attack and that is, at least in a historical setting, more a Blue thing so that's what I voted 🙂

[JaMz]

1 hour ago, LuftManu said:

I'm looking forward to each plane, but props are really interesting so I will try to fly the Il-10 a lot by release 🙂

 

Yea, I have to say I'm a fan of the Pony and pretty much flew that constantly in DCS, so I also am interested in the propped birds

[Avimimus]

I'll also fly both. Although it is worth noting that we'll probably have four flyables for Red and nine flyables for Blue... so I expect I'll spend more time overall with those. I've probably also got a bit of a bias towards props - but the jets are very interesting too.

For dogfighting I expect the F-86 and the Mig-15 to be pretty evenly matched. The Mig will probably require a bit more skill because the lack of a radar gun sight and larger cannons will make marksmanship a bit harder and also its main advantage will be in climb rate (rewarding planning). The F-86 will probably be a bit more forgiving. At least based on historical accounts.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I will try everything, just as I have done in previous titles.  That said most of my time will be in the UN prop birds doing ground attack, with some time in the straight wing jets doing the same.  I do have a sneaking suspicion that the La11 will have a much better combat record in the sim than it did in the real deal, at least in multiplayer.  Online you cannot simulate the poorly trained NKAF pilots that faced the much better trained USAF pilots early in the war.  The Mustang will have a hard time with the LA11, be sure. We will have to see how well the Corsair does against it, and hopefully at some point the Sea Fury.

F-86 vs. Mig 15 will be interesting, but not really my cup of tea.   I'm more of a Ki-61 vs. P40N kind of guy. (hint, hint).

[Dora]

Like with BoX, i'll fly the fighters of all sides, but i'll probably start with blue, since i've already flown the MiG-15bis ad nauseum in a different flight sim, and have read and studied the MiG-15 manuals and Yefim Gordon's "Famous Russian Aircraft: MiG-15" religiously.

Having some stuff thats new to me to sink my teeth in, will be appreciated

[JaMz]

49 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

I'll also fly both. Although it is worth noting that we'll probably have four flyables for Red and nine flyables for Blue... so I expect I'll spend more time overall with those. I've probably also got a bit of a bias towards props - but the jets are very interesting too.

For dogfighting I expect the F-86 and the Mig-15 to be pretty evenly matched. The Mig will probably require a bit more skill because the lack of a radar gun sight and larger cannons will make marksmanship a bit harder and also its main advantage will be in climb rate (rewarding planning). The F-86 will probably be a bit more forgiving. At least based on historical accounts.

Yea it does seem that you dont wanna be caught up high in the Mig by a Sabre as it seems you are pretty limited with avaible options, be interesting to see how the straight line speed works out between both

[Avimimus]

49 minutes ago, Koziolek said:

I used to fly both sides, but right now I think it will be only blue. And I cannot state why because it is against the forum rules

We should avoid discussing this further, I agree.

I just thought I'd point out that:

- The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics no longer exists. At the time it included multiple countries which exist today (including the one that pilots like Sergey Kramarenko, Nikolai Dokashenko etc. came from).

- The Republic of Korea and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea in the 1950s were more similar to each other than they are today (both in terms of democratic and human rights records).

- Arguably the conduct of the U.N. auspice forces was less than perfect, including the largely unrestricted aerial campaign (with some questionable rules of order) and extensive use of strategic bombing against civilian targets.

The point I'm making here isn't complicated - it is just that the political situation was very different 75 years ago - and that might be worth considering.

[AndreiTomescu]

I'll start with a clear red choice, since in the '50 Romania was no longer a monarchy, and became, with the 'kind and brotherly" help of the conquering Red Army 🙂  the RPR (=Romanian People's Republic ), a socialist/communist state.

So "my pilot", if drafted to the Korean war as a part of the Warsaw Pact, would have been there.

To be noted :

- back then as today, and ALL roots of today's power (un)balance are THERE : the '50 Korean war and its indecisive ending, proxi wars were fought between the large powers. Whatever side you choose, you can't be on the "right" side. As far as I know the Dalai Lama and the Pope had no fighters/bombers. 🙂 🙂 A pilot is just a little cog in a machine.  But we are virtual pilots, seeking for the thrill of those day's aircraft. That's what matters.

- The MIG actions against the bomber forces were quite similar to the "Defense of the Reich" or the " Battle of Britain" clashes. 

So if i take a side, i'm siding with the 1CGS studio for doing a step forward for us flight enthusiasts. 

Edited May 31 by AndreiTomescu

[Dash,Polder]

Air combat will have to take the back seat, I'm flying the stuff that can deliver the best punch against the opposing ground force and can still fight it's way out of a trap.  I'm figuring AAA is going to be my main enemy.  

[BlitzPig_EL]

In that case, I'll take USS New Jersey.

[JaMz]

9 hours ago, Dash,Polder said:

Air combat will have to take the back seat, I'm flying the stuff that can deliver the best punch against the opposing ground force and can still fight it's way out of a trap.  I'm figuring AAA is going to be my main enemy.  

Yea and it was pretty efffective too

50/50 is a nice start, be interesting to see how that fairs once the FM's are in our hands..

As already noted I think style of play will make a huge difference as I'm guessing if ground pounding is your thing, you'll more than likely steer towards the US birds, bomber intercept can only be one side and CAP can be either..

I think through variety in gameplay and you were swung with picking just one side, it would have to be US..

[Jaegermeister]

Although I will eventually fly all of the aircraft, I prefer to focus on one or two until I have them completely figured out and I know their characteristics. 

Based on the information I have found so far, and the fact that I prefer to start out as early as possible in the conflict, I will be spending most of my time in the F-51 D and the F-80 Shooting Star for a little while. The map is well designed to represent this time frame so hopefully we will all be flying together during the "Home by Christmas" UN advance soon! 

 

[AndreiTomescu]

i'm documenting myself a bit about the korean war. Besides MASH and a bit of collateral info, i'm ashamed to say i didn't knew much. But i'm correcting that. In this regard, when will the game start as timeframe? will cover the hole '50-'53 period ? will start as early as to "catch" 🙂 the period when there were no MIG15/Sabres in the air?

[LukeFF]

April 1951 to July 1953

[Dash,Polder]

With a carrier pack one could start with the Inchon landing task force and wait till the ground side air forces get back on the map in a few days.

[Avimimus]

Yes, and a Seafire campaign could extend even further back... (I'm hoping a little that Korea sells well enough to justifies an Fr.47 and a scripted campaign)!

[Jaegermeister]

11 hours ago, AndreiTomescu said:

i'm documenting myself a bit about the korean war. Besides MASH and a bit of collateral info, i'm ashamed to say i didn't knew much. But i'm correcting that. In this regard, when will the game start as timeframe? will cover the hole '50-'53 period ? will start as early as to "catch" 🙂 the period when there were no MIG15/Sabres in the air?

It's very confusing. There are four major strategic movements back and forth over long distances in 1 year, covering almost the entire country. (July 1950- July 1951) After that, the Kansas line (Armistice Line) stayed relatively stable for 2 years during the peace negotiations while Migs and Sabres fought in MiG Alley. The Sabres were deployed in December 1950, but it was a super cold winter so they didn't do a lot until the Spring of 1951, which is when LukeFF indicated the game coverage begins.

That's the Cliff Notes version, LOL. I have not done a lot of research on the Sabre operations in the winter of 50-51 yet, but I'm sure it is an interesting period. This all leaves a lot of room to play around with earlier encounters in multi-player, single missions, scripted campaigns and all that.

 

[LukeFF]

There are a couple of good Osprey books covering F-86 operations over Korea, including one that specifically covers the 1950-51 time period:

[Juri_JS]

Initially I will mostly fly for North Korea, because my plan is to create a scripted Yak-9P campaign for the 56th "Guards Taejon" Fighter Aviation Regiment. For the KPAF the initial phase of the war can be done quite well on the map, only Taejon is outside the map area, where the unit earned its guard title, but this isn't a big issue.

No idea if people will be interested to fly as complete underdogs, but I think the units history is highly interesting. I already did some experiments using AI to create North Korean propaganda style posters for the campaign. The photo of Kim Il-Sung for the player's cockpit is also ready. 🙂

Edited June 3 by Juri_JS

[AndreiTomescu]

47 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

people will be interested to fly as complete underdogs

count me in !. Also I know a bunch of other underdog-ers.... 🙂 

[Avimimus]

6 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

No idea if people will be interested to fly as complete underdogs, but I think the units history is highly interesting. I already did some experiments using AI to create North Korean propaganda style posters for the campaign. The photo of Kim Il-Sung for the player's cockpit is also ready. 🙂

 

I think the Kim Il-Sung photo might put a lot of people off... also, I wonder how deep the cult of personality was - the DPRK had only existed for two years at the start of the war.

As for being underdogs - at the very start of the war didn't the DPRK effectively destroy the ROK's airforce? It is only once the 'U.N.' intervention begins in earnest that the tables start to turn and the DPRK loses air superiority?

[JaMz]

5 hours ago, AndreiTomescu said:

count me in !. Also I know a bunch of other underdog-ers.... 🙂 

Same.. 

[Juri_JS]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

I think the Kim Il-Sung photo might put a lot of people off... also, I wonder how deep the cult of personality was - the DPRK had only existed for two years at the start of the war.

Of course the photo will be optional. The cult of personality already started before the war, but massively increased after the summer of 1950.  According to statements from defected North Korean pilots a photo of Kim Il-Sung in the cockpit was mandatory. That's nothing I've made up. Allegedly North Korean Migs even had a photo frame fitted to the cockpit panel for this purpose.