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PaperPilot
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IL-2 Battle of Moscow has a very short list of aircraft compared to the other modules when it comes to being able to select aircraft for AQMB and Pilot Career mode. I know it is easier said than done, but I think that the 1941-42 list of Soviet and German aircraft can be expanded upon for the game. I would like to see aircraft like the Bf-110 F-2 and Ju-87 B-2, as well as the Tomahawk Mk.IIa/b, and the SB-2 for Great Battles because you could not only use them in Moscow, but also in Odessa and Leningrad 1941. I know easier said than done, but I think those aircraft should be passed on for consideration at least. 

 

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I will be happy once they add already existing early Yak, LaGG and I-153 to Moscow career. Although, I think Ju-87 B2 would be better addition to the game as current D5 version. It was strange decision in my opinion. As this is likely the last module, B2 version is neither in upcoming bomber DLC and it would be probably not very well sold as separate collector plane, I don't think we'll ever see it.

Avimimus
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6 hours ago, PaperPilot said:

IL-2 Battle of Moscow has a very short list of aircraft compared to the other modules when it comes to being able to select aircraft for AQMB and Pilot Career mode. I know it is easier said than done, but I think that the 1941-42 list of Soviet and German aircraft can be expanded upon for the game. I would like to see aircraft like the Bf-110 F-2 and Ju-87 B-2, as well as the Tomahawk Mk.IIa/b, and the SB-2 for Great Battles because you could not only use them in Moscow, but also in Odessa and Leningrad 1941. I know easier said than done, but I think those aircraft should be passed on for consideration at least.

Ah, my favourite P-40 variant! Only relevant to Moscow though?

The He-112 might also be a candidate for a Collector Plane? Probably even more exotic than the He-162, and they were actually used by Romania, correct?

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PaperPilot
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1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

The He-112 might also be a candidate for a Collector Plane? Probably even more exotic than the He-162, and they were actually used by Romania, correct?

I think so. I would also like to see the Italian Mc.200 for Moscow. I know again, easier said than done though.

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I/JG53_Kurtz
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15 hours ago, PaperPilot said:

I think so. I would also like to see the Italian Mc.200 for Moscow. I know again, easier said than done though.

it would be nice to have the MC200, hystorically it was used much longer and in a much greater number than MC202 in the eastern front. It would have made more sense to have the MC200 rather than the 202 from the beginning. Anyway I'm already happy with the presence of the MC202.

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sandmarken
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41 minutes ago, I/JG53_Kurtz said:

it would be nice to have the MC200, hystorically it was used much longer and in a much greater number than MC202 in the eastern front. It would have made more sense to have the MC200 rather than the 202 from the beginning. Anyway I'm already happy with the presence of the MC202.

The mc202 was chosen by the comunity in a pool many years if i remember correct. I think other option might have been the iar80. The mc202 just got a very good scripted campaign! 

Enceladus828
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3 hours ago, sandmarken said:

The mc202 was chosen by the comunity in a pool many years if i remember correct. I think other option might have been the iar80. The mc202 just got a very good scripted campaign! 

Yeah the devs wanted to add a non-German Axis plane and it boiled down to the MC.202 or the IAR 80 and the MC.202 was chosen. There may have been a tentative plan to do North Africa after BoM so that’s why it was offered over the MC.200

Matthew 6:21, "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

sandmarken
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13 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

Yeah the devs wanted to add a non-German Axis plane and it boiled down to the MC.202 or the IAR 80 and the MC.202 was chosen. There may have been a tentative plan to do North Africa after BoM so that’s why it was offered over the MC.200

Yes, my idea also. The pool itself is gone, but the discussions are still there on the old forum. There might have been a plan for a long time since planes like the Hurricane got the tropic filter and 40mm guns. Didn't Jason even say he wanted to do Mediterranean before going all Combat Box?

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Enceladus828
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1 hour ago, sandmarken said:

Didn't Jason even say he wanted to do Mediterranean before going all Combat Box?

Yeah he planned to cover the Invasion of Sicily after BoN. But from what the devs declared in Brief Room 3 and what one of the map modders further explained to me the buildings and houses are much more clustered together in Southern Italy than in NW Europe so they realistically could not depict Sicilian cities without running into performance issues. Hopefully they can do this in the Korea engine.

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Matthew 6:21, "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

MDzmitry
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You know, freedom of speech is cool and all that, but sometimes I catch myself wishing that "Bf 109 G-10" were blacklisted.
What time is it that the team needs to explain that (finally) flyable bombers besides A-20B have more potential than a 12th Messerschmitt?

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PaperPilot
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On 3/21/2026 at 7:49 AM, JG53_Jaguar said:

Any idea, when we might possibly see Bf-109 G-10 please ?

Maybe next year or the year after (2027-28). But it's a big maybe because yes, they are very busy with the six collector planes and Korea and whatever comes next after Korea, but to me it does't make sense (from an outsider's point of view) to stop making aircraft for Great Battles (more collector aircraft roughly equals more money to fund for future projects) and things don't seem to be set in stone when it comes to the IL-2 dev team. So, who knows? Personally, I would like to see the Bf-109 G-10, but I would also like to see the IL-4, which I think is so desperately needed for Great Battles as it fills in so many voids in the Pilot Career mode as the Soviet Union's principle medium bomber from 1942-45. Another aircraft I think the game needs is the SB-2 light bomber as that was the main front line bomber of the USSR from 1941-42. A third aircraft I think is needed for Battle of Moscow, Leningrad and Odessa is the Ju-87 B-2, since that was Germany's main dive bomber and stuka variant during the first year of the Eastern Front.

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On 3/20/2026 at 1:09 AM, Avimimus said:

The He-112 might also be a candidate for a Collector Plane? Probably even more exotic than the He-162, and they were actually used by Romania, correct?

It's a shame after so many years we still don't have He 112.IL-2 1946 doesn't have He 112 either.Heinkel fighters really need more love.shot_4998.jpg.eb7b0f20162f0aca2100f133eedba9b2.jpg

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/75630-discussion-of-churchill-mkiv-stug-iii-ausfg-and-iar-8081-pre-order-announcement/page/5/

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CzechTexan
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The He-112 only fought during the fight for Odessa for a short time in 1941.  The IAR-80 fought on multiple fronts such as Stalingrad, Kuban/Crimea, Odessa 1941-44.

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PaperPilot
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What about the Me-210 Ca-1 used by the Hungarian Air Force? Would that have any place in the Great Battles platform?

Messerschmitt Me 210 Ca-1 , ZO+55 This particular Me 210 Ca-1 was flown by  Helmut Zittier and Walter Stolz while serving with “Ausbildungskommando  Zerstörer” in Budapest, Hungary, 1944.

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BlitzPig_EL
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Who is going to model all these dream airframes?  And more importantly, who is going to pay the people that model them?

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Lusekofte
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I’m kind of satisfied with the plane set that exist and will come. 
In my opinion if there was missing something it is Russian bomber designs. We can use the 410 as a placeholder for 210, just fly it badly. 
If there should be a investment it should been AI SB 2’s and a flyable TU2 

The first would make a needed addition for Finland. The second a very good bomber

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MDzmitry
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8 часов назад, PaperPilot сказал:

What about the Me-210 Ca-1 used by the Hungarian Air Force? Would that have any place in the Great Battles platform?

Messerschmitt Me 210 Ca-1 , ZO+55 This particular Me 210 Ca-1 was flown by  Helmut Zittier and Walter Stolz while serving with “Ausbildungskommando  Zerstörer” in Budapest, Hungary, 1944.

It's literally a 410 dropped on its head. Trust me, you don't want to fly it in any kind of a properly modelled way.

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PaperPilot
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38 minutes ago, MDzmitry said:

It's literally a 410 dropped on its head. Trust me, you don't want to fly it in any kind of a properly modelled way.

Lucky for the developers, I'm someone who loves a challenge. But I see what you're saying, I don't think enough would buy the plane to break even. 

MDzmitry
Posted
27 минут назад, PaperPilot сказал:

Lucky for the developers, I'm someone who loves a challenge. But I see what you're saying, I don't think enough would buy the plane to break even. 

The Me 410 is already there

If you want to make it resemble a 210, set your trims to the worst possible position

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Kurfurst
Posted
7 hours ago, MDzmitry said:

It's literally a 410 dropped on its head. Trust me, you don't want to fly it in any kind of a properly modelled way.

The C series were already a "fixed" Me 210 airframe, very similar to the 410 expect for having weaker DB 605s instead of 603s. 

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MDzmitry
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19 минут назад, Kurfurst сказал:

The C series were already a "fixed" Me 210 airframe, very similar to the 410 expect for having weaker DB 605s instead of 603s. 

Thanks for the correction

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Enceladus828
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6 hours ago, PaperPilot said:

Lucky for the developers, I'm someone who loves a challenge. But I see what you're saying, I don't think enough would buy the plane to break even. 

Please watch this video to understand why the Me-210 was a bad plane and thus Hermann Goering wanted Willy Messerschmitt’s grave to read he would have lived longer if not for the Me-210

As people have said, just because a plane flew during the war and scored some victories doesn’t mean it will be added. Admittedly I didn’t believe they were going to add the Bf-109E-4 for S&L and instead would add another long requested German plane but lo and behold they did. However, that was a variant of the E-7, the Me-210 is an entirely new aircraft altogether.

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Matthew 6:21, "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

mrtomek
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I think that more modifications for Me-410 (like historical underbelly 4xSC50/SD70 - really needed) are far more better and also simpler and quicker to implement. Remember, that Me-410 in Il-2 is already fantastic plane, but lacking more bombs - is a bit useless. Currently mainly for bomber intercepting.

See also this:

 

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PaperPilot
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I know, what about the Fw-190 A-4?

I know it's just another Fw-190A variant, but at least it as some differences to the Fw-190 A-3 and A-5, and you could use it on multiple Eastern Front maps like Leningrad and Kuban, as well as on the Normandy Map. It was a major subvariant nonetheless. 

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76.IAP-Black
Posted
6 hours ago, PaperPilot said:

I know, what about the Fw-190 A-4?

I know it's just another Fw-190A variant, but at least it as some differences to the Fw-190 A-3 and A-5, and you could use it on multiple Eastern Front maps like Leningrad and Kuban, as well as on the Normandy Map. It was a major subvariant nonetheless. 

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I dont see the need for the A4, when we have already the A5 ingame.
Differences are not really that noticeable. 

Just the number "A4" would fit better into a specific years .. thats it 

 

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