Is there a way to prevent 'me' automatically ordering my flight into action when arriving at the objective?

[Valis]

I'd prefer to spot, or have my flight spot, targets by myself and only then order them into battle. But currently my virtual commander issues the attack order automatically.

Very annoying.

 

[Viking1]

Are you sure thats you and not another flight? I ask because I hear radio chatter from other flights in the AO. And I havent noticed my guys engaging before I give an order. 

[AndreiTomescu]

it's not you ordering them to engage, it's the radio controller. Can't make that guy shut up. BUT! your orders afterwards will override his commands.

[Valis]

10 minutes ago, Viking1 said:

Are you sure thats you and not another flight? I ask because I hear radio chatter from other flights in the AO. And I havent noticed my guys engaging before I give an order. 

In the flight pictured there was just me and a wingman.

1 minute ago, AndreiTomescu said:

it's not you ordering them to engage, it's the radio controller. Can't make that guy shut up. BUT! your orders afterwards will override his commands.

What radio controller? An FAC?

Plus, it doesn't help that everyone is using the same voice.

[AndreiTomescu]

5 minutes ago, Valis said:

What radio controller? An FAC?

Uh, yes, it might be either airborne, or ground based, but it's your FAC.

I have noticed that sometimes is airborne (sooo cool) on the map, if you have icons on, you can see him with a dotted circle around.

And he's bossing everybody around..... 🙂 

Guess it's the same entity you talk to via radio, asking for stuff. Like bearing , air contacts, etc

Same voice, yep, but I guess having AI generated voices now, this will change.

Guess you guys are missing those different voices from GB's scripted campaigns. Like Ruspoli at the gates of Odessa?? 😉 well, you hsve no idea how many hrs it took for several people to do that. Guess the AI won't do it better , but much more , diverse and .....faster

[Valis]

I've done campaign missions with an FAC (a lone F-51 - sadly not a T-6) but they always identify themselves on the radio e.g. "Charlie, Red 1, go and do this..."

If a radio call begins with 'Red 1' then I assume 'I' am the one saying it.

[Viking1]

1 hour ago, AndreiTomescu said:

it's not you ordering them to engage, it's the radio controller. Can't make that guy shut up. BUT! your orders afterwards will override his commands.

ah that makes sense. I'm paying more attention to the radio now. The voices all sounding the same was making this harder,

Edited July 29 by Viking1

[AndreiTomescu]

1 hour ago, Viking1 said:

I havent noticed my guys engaging before I give an order. 

They do, but only upon the mission objective. As you approach, the FAC gives the order to engage.

If let's say, on the way back, you stumble upon another potential target, even if you cross it right near, your wingman won't charge, unless you order them to.

Edited July 29 by AndreiTomescu

[AndreiTomescu]

34 minutes ago, Valis said:

If a radio call begins with 'Red 1' then I assume 'I' am the one saying it.

Nope, actually.

Red 1 means you. They identify the target of their information. Then the info. Their identity is implied.

I dunno if it's really authentic, my guess is that it should have been like this:

" Red 1 (player) this is XRay (controller). Engage ground targets at will (go die, you stupid mincemeat) "🙂 🙂 

When you are saying something is like this: "Group, return to base" or "Red 2, follow me"

So your identity is also assumed, the ID also refers to the target of the order.

I dunno if it's actually historical accurate.

I mean, they are acting like a wife: identity obivious......the rest are orders..... 🙂 

[Valis]

Here's an example of not being in control.

Inbound to the target I get a radio message from the aether - 'Red, search for ground targets on your own, over'

My flight then proceeds to attack the target without any input from me, the flight leader. That's a problem. 

It might be a concession for those players who don't want to worry about managing their flight, and that's fair enough. But it should be optional. I should be able to direct the attack using the radio commands already available, instead of try to manage everything after my flight have gone all 'Leeroy Jenkins' on me.

 

[AndreiTomescu]

1 hour ago, Valis said:

Red, search for ground targets on your own

Yes, indeed.

Red=your hole flight

Search for..... = order for.....

On your own = not an exactly specified target, and the individual guys from your flight are allowed to break formation and attack each on its own

This is command order, from controller/HQ, so it's higher than you (Red1). 

But if you want to organise the attack, for example, if you give specific orders right after, it gonna work.

Please notice that usually this order from HQ comes rather early, when you still have 4+ miles from target.

What i do:

1. Before that guy bosses around with my sheep's weak AI mind 🙂 , i order them to tighten formation.

2. Once "Red......on your own" is given i order them to rejoin formation - forgot the exact command, it sounds different- and then order them to attack

For some it works, but usually there are 1-2 that do not

3. the "do like me" order also works.

From what I've seen, letting them follow the HQ order in ground work is more effective and reliable that ordering them around.

Note: In aifield strike, after the first pass, if the flak is hardcore, I rather choose to call out the attack, no matter the outcome, than see half of them sent to kingdom come.

So I break away and low, order them to follow, and they really obey, as come asap. This was not the case in GB.

Edited July 30 by AndreiTomescu

[LukeFF]

12 hours ago, Valis said:

It might be a concession for those players who don't want to worry about managing their flight, and that's fair enough. But it should be optional. I should be able to direct the attack using the radio commands already available, instead of try to manage everything after my flight have gone all 'Leeroy Jenkins' on me.

It's been noted but for now it's staying as-is, as the alternative is masses of reports from players saying their flight does nothing when they show up over the target. 🙂 

[lefuneste]

19 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

It's been noted but for now it's staying as-is, as the alternative is masses of reports from players saying their flight does nothing when they show up over the target. 🙂 

Maybe an option in difficulty level ?