FFB Joystick bases

[Aapje]

This topic/comment will keep track of all FFB joystick bases currently available or in development.

VPForce Rhino FFB base (available)

- From an amateur inventor upset at the lack of modern FFB options (Valmantas Palikša aka Walmis)

- 9 Nm peak torque

- Power: 150 W (180 max)

- 800 euro excluding shipping and excluding VAT (from Lithuania)

- Size: 205 mm x 180 mm x 290 mm (height to the top of the grip connector).

- Very good software

- Single man 'shed' production, 1000 have shipped as of June 2nd 2025

- No waiting list anymore

- Compatible with grips from Trustmaster, Virpil, FC Technologies, VKB (using adapter) and Winwing (using adapter)

- Option to build it yourself (no wait time and ability to use more powerful motors, requires 3D-printer or CNC machine/shop)

- Has a very good manual

- Has a twist knob to change the power of the base and an emergency cutoff button on top of the base

- (Community) support goes through Discord

Media

- Review

- 18 month review

- Playlist curated by the inventor

- Force test

- Another force test part 1 & part 2

 

FFBeast FFB base (available)

- From an amateur inventor upset at the lack of modern FFB options (Roman aka Propeler3D)

- 35 Nm peak torque, peak load on the handle with an extension 40 cm from the axis of the mechanics is 12 kg. Should be around 20 kg with a 20 cm extension.

- 800/899 euro excluding shipping. Depends on who makes it. Each manufacturer makes them differently (at least the housing).

- Waiting list depends on the manufacturer. Shortest seems about 2 months. Over 100 units produced so far.

- Size: 230 mm x 190 mm x 280 mm (height to the top plate). Height to the top of the grip connector is 319 mm. These sizes are just for the builds by Propeler.

- Good software

- Production by the inventor (Poland) and others, including @GVL224 (EU - link) and Victor from MarksmanFlightDevice (Russia - link)

- Compatible with these grips (contact Roman for others) :

• Thrustmaster F-16
• Thrustmaster F-18
• VPC FLNKR
• VPC Alpha
• VPC Alpha Prime
• VPC VFX
• VPC Mongoost
• VPC Mongoost CM2
• Tianhang F-18

- Option to build it yourself (no wait time, requires 3D-printer or CNC machine/shop)

- Option for customized changes.

- Lacks a good manual

- Most information and contact with producers runs through Discord

Media

- Review

 

Moza AB9 FFB base (available)

- From an simracing company new to flight sim gear. They rapidly made a good name for themselves in simracing, since they started selling products in 2021.

- 8.8 Nm sustained torque (estimated)

- 600 euro ($549) excluding shipping. Moza also sell through local dealers, so you might want to wait for greatly reduce shipping costs.

- Size: 228 x 157 x 205 mm

- Weight: 7 kg

- Factory production in China

- Supports Trustmaster grips, their own MHG and MH16 grips (hats do not have push functionality for the MH16) and Virpil (LEDs do not work). VKB grips can be used with the Rhino adapter.

- Moza sell a separate Z-axis module to add a twist function, that also works as a 97 mm extension (twist can be disabled) 

- Review

- Review by DCS' Jester

- Manual

 

Caution

 - The Trustmaster offset adapter has two tabs that are in the way (they can be ground off).

 

Moza AB6 FFB base (available)

- Half as powerful as the AB9

- Has 8 buttons and two throttle wheels on the base 

- 4.4 Nm sustained torque

- Sold only as a bundle with the MHG stick

- 449 euro ($399) excluding shipping. Moza also sell through local dealers, so you might want to wait for greatly reduce shipping costs.

- Size: 188 x 123 x 163

- Weight: 2.95 kg

 

Virpil ATLAS FFB base (preorder with shipping estimate: Q4 2026)

- From an established flight sim gear company

- 16 Nm sustained torque, 25 Nm peak. 8 kg sustained force (12 kg peak) with the stick mounted directly on top of the base, measured at 20 cm from the top of the base. Force chart at various extension lengths is available.

- Power: 250 W peak

- 600 euro preorder price, which will become 700 euro on release. US pricing is $720/$820.

- Uses Dyneema cords to transfer forces, rather than a belt or direct drive

- Software is developed in cooperation with FFBeast

- Mounting solutions are planned both for a attaching to an office chair as well as a custom Virpil flight seat. No information on desktop mounting options.

- Preorder opened on June 12th 2026, requiring half of the preorder price as a deposit.

- Transparent panels, with internal RGB, so the inside of the device is visible and lighted.

- Includes a separate emergency stop button

- Can be upgraded to the VPC ATLAS Pro

 

Virpil ATLAS Pro FFB base (preorder with shipping estimate: Q4 2026)

- 25 Nm sustained torque, 45 Nm peak. 12 kg sustained force (22 kg peak) with the stick mounted directly on top of the base, measured at 20 cm from the top of the base. Force chart at various extension lengths is available.

- Power: 420 W peak

- 750 euro preorder price, which will become 850 euro on release. US pricing is $890/$990.

- See the non-Pro base for the other information.

 

WINCTRL Cyber Taurus CT.JB.E.B.29.MET.1 (preorder open with shipping starting in June 2026)

- From an established flight sim gear company

- 29 Nm sustained torque

- Belt drive

- $493

- 267 x 166 x 342 mm. Designed to be deep, but not wide.

- 11.5 kg

- Supports WINCTRL grips

- Compatible with the MJ.MET.2 desktop mount

- No information about IL-2 compatibility.

- Manual available at the their site

WINCTRL Cyber Taurus CT.JB.E.B.82.MET.1 (preorder open with shipping starting in June 2026)

- 82 Nm sustained torque

- Belt drive

- $857

- 320 x 166 x 342 mm

- 18.5 kg

WINCTRL Cyber Taurus CT.JB.E.D.16.MET.1 (preorder open with shipping starting in June 2026)

- 16 Nm sustained torque

- Direct drive

- $857

- 320 x 166 x 342 mm

- 17.5 kg

 

Flitesim FFB base (delayed because they will release FFB pedals first in March 2025)

- From a Singapore company seeking to provide a realistic simming experience because real airplanes are very expensive in their country

- 15 Nm peak torque

 

Simnautica Eagle

- From a company specializing in glider simulation

- 11 Nm peak torque or 16 Nm with the boost kit

- 1200 euro excluding VAT

- 250 euro for the boost kit (bigger power supply)

- Developed together with FFBeast

- Size: 188 mm wide x 287 mm deep x 158 mm high

- The grip cable doesn't go through the connector

- The base is sold with a basic grip without buttons

- Compatible with Thrustmaster grips, with an adapter

 

Brunner CLS-E MK II (available)

- From a Swiss boutique company that seems to produce these by hand

- 6.8 Nm peak torque

- $1,429 without shipping

- Size: 220x185x187 mm (height is to where the stick mounts, 143 mm is the height to the flat surface)

- Weight: 3.5 kg without stick

- Compatible with sticks from Trustmaster and Virpil.

- Mounting options: only the top plate has mounting holes

- For private and single pilot applications a perpetual license to their CLS2Sim software is included in the CLS-E product price. For dual cockpit, commercial, professional, military and academic use, a $559 software license needs to be acquired.

- Infosheet

Notes: This is an updated version of the thread from the old forum.

Edited June 15 by Aapje
Updated grips for VPForce and FFBeast

[Aapje]

I decided to finally migrate this from the old forum, since Virpil opened the preorders for their base today and WINCTRL did so recently, and seems to start shipping any day now.

I updated a bunch of information.

[Antony99]

2 часа назад, Aapje сказал:

Production by the inventor (Poland) and others, including @GVL224 (EU - link) and Volodymyr (Russia)

His name Victor not Volodymyr. https://t.me/MarksmanFlightDevice. Poland invertor and soft author Roman Propeller3d. https://ffbeast.github.io/docs/en/joystick.html

[FFBuser161]

Joystick ffb

Ось У-20+кг на рычаге 400мм, от центра оси до середины хвата. 

Ось Х-12+кг на рычаге 400мм, от центра оси до середины хвата. 

Rudder pedals ffb -20+кг. 

Ход оси-200мм. 

Устройства на софте-FFBeast.

Скрытый текст

 

 

https://t.me/MarksmanFlightDevice

 

Edited June 13 by FFBuser161

[Aapje]

4 hours ago, FFBuser161 said:

https://t.me/MarksmanFlightDevice

Is this you?

Это вы?

18 hours ago, Antony99 said:

His name Victor not Volodymyr. https://t.me/MarksmanFlightDevice. Poland invertor and soft author Roman Propeller3d. https://ffbeast.github.io/docs/en/joystick.html

I see that Roman has his own webstore now, so I added that link. I also added the telegram link for the Russian customers.

[FFBuser161]

17 минут назад, Aapje сказал:

Это ты?

Это вы?

 

Моё имя Виктор.Я спроектировал свою линейку устройств с обратной связью-Marksman.

Моими устройствами пользуются в Европе, США, Австралия, Сингапур.

[DasRaven]

@Aapje Are you certain that Romans FFBeast also supports VKB grips ? I thought that the options were Thrustmaster and Virpil alone .

[Aapje]

23 hours ago, DasRaven said:

@Aapje Are you certain that Romans FFBeast also supports VKB grips ? I thought that the options were Thrustmaster and Virpil alone .

Updated the grips info for FFBeast and VPForce.

[MNTimBuktu]

Anyone get the Moza AB9 working with IL2:Korea and want to share steps/profiles?  Want to jump right in tomorrow if possible.

[the_infernal_toy]

15 часов назад, MNTimBuktu сказал:

Кто-нибудь сталкивается с Moza AB9 с IL2:Korea и хочет поделиться шагами/профилями? Хочу сразу приступить к работе завтра, если получится.

The Moza cockpit does not support IL-2 Korea. It can be used as a standard spring-loaded grip, without the effects.

Edited June 25 by the_infernal_toy

[Aapje]

I would expect native FFB to work.

[Rustam]

Всем привет! Вопрос к владельцам Moza AB-9, предзаказавшим "Ил-2 Корея": работают-ли эффекты FFB и поддерживает-ли сама игра в данный момент возможность управления от базы FFB? Или владельцы FFB-баз пока только мечтают))) о включении данной возможности?       

[the_infernal_toy]

2 часа назад, Rustam сказал:

Всем привет! Вопрос к владельцам Moza AB-9, предзаказавшим "Ил-2 Корея": работают-ли эффекты FFB и поддерживает-ли сама игра в данный момент возможность управления от базы FFB? Или владельцы FFB-баз пока только мечтают))) о включении данной возможности?       

Скачал не помню откуда пресет для 15 мига, воткнул в кокпит его, запустил игру с лаунчера, РАБОТАЕТ. Даже стрельба чувствуется, 

3 часа назад, Aapje сказал:

I would expect native FFB to work.

I launched my MIG 15 DCS preset in the cockpit, minimized it, then launched the Korea - everything works.

[Rustam]

28 минут назад, the_infernal_toy сказал:

Скачал не помню откуда пресет для 15 мига, воткнул в кокпит его, запустил игру с лаунчера, РАБОТАЕТ. Даже стрельба чувствуется, 

I launched my MIG 15 DCS preset in the cockpit, minimized it, then launched the Korea - everything works.

Важный момент - эффекты сваливания также работают? Пока раздумываю, стоит сейчас брать или чуть подождать, пока основные косяки раннего доступа уберут.

[the_infernal_toy]

2 минуты назад, Rustam сказал:

Важный момент - эффекты сваливания также работают? Пока раздумываю, стоит сейчас брать или чуть подождать, пока основные косяки раннего доступа уберут.

Да, дрожит

[Rustam]

2 часа назад, the_infernal_toy сказал:

Да, дрожит

Ещё один момент))). Я правильно понимаю, что игру "Корея" запускаете не из "Моза Кокпит"? Прописывать что-либо в "Config" на главном экране ничего не надо?

[the_infernal_toy]

37 минут назад, Rustam сказал:

Ещё один момент))). Я правильно понимаю, что игру "Корея" запускаете не из "Моза Кокпит"? Прописывать что-либо в "Config" на главном экране ничего не надо?

В Мозе вы ничего не пропишете, поэтому там просто выбираем пресет и все, сворачиваем. Игру запускаем с рабочего стола

 

[Rustam]

58 минут назад, the_infernal_toy сказал:

В Мозе вы ничего не пропишете, поэтому там просто выбираем пресет и все, сворачиваем. Игру запускаем с рабочего стола

 

Спасибо, хороший человек. От души!