Korea. IL-2 Series — Early Access Date Announcement

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, FuriousMeow said:

@AEthelraedUnraed @Avimimus

Thanks! I thought I missed an announcement or that the DLC was somehow Korea itself even though iit's clearly marked differently on the tentative release schedule.

So the DLC is the release that should have the F4U-4?

Well, the F4U-4 isn't officially announced yet either. But we do have an image of it from an early development stage, so combined with the teased carrier in the distance of this pic, it's relatively safe to assume that the DLC focuses on Navy/Marines ops and indeed features the Corsair.

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, Aapje said:

They did change the release date from Spring to Q2.

Odd... I don't recall that happening - at least in terms of official release dates. I think we're a bit behind what they'd originally aimed for when development started. I'm not complaining though - seeing how ambitious the project is.

6 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Well, the F4U-4 isn't officially announced yet either. But we do have an image of it from an early development stage, so combined with the teased carrier in the distance of this pic, it's relatively safe to assume that the DLC focuses on Navy/Marines ops and indeed features the Corsair.

They've also mentioned the F9F (F9F-2 I think?)... assuming plans haven't changed it'd seem likely.

[DedVdV]

Это здорово, что не на Q4😉

[Aapje]

9 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Odd... I don't recall that happening - at least in terms of official release dates. I think we're a bit behind what they'd originally aimed for when development started. I'm not complaining though - seeing how ambitious the project is.

The IL-2 Korea webpage used to say: "Coming to your PC in Spring 2026"

They since changed it at least two times, one time to change it to Q2 and now it says: "Early Access Starts June 25, 2026"

But this is not a big delay in the large scheme of things. 

[Koziolek]

22 hours ago, DedVdV said:

 Сегодня 31 мая - последний - день весны. Что с ранним доступом?

I knew that Russia is first and best in everything but I'm surprised that summer comes there 3 weeks earlier than anywhere else 🤣

In Europe the last day of spring is 20th of June if I'm not mistaken

[Woody]

Well it's nice to have have a date now. Would be nice to know how long early access will last.

Edited June 1 by Woody

[Mark_Krieger]

2 hours ago, Woody said:

Well it's nice to have have a date now. Would be nice to know how long early access will last.

If I remember correctly, Daniel said they don't like too long Early Access periods, because they want the game to be in a decent state even at Early Acces relesase, without serious bugs that could damage their image (and I think that's a correct decision). Of course the game will continue improving once released, but I think that the Early Acces period will be quite short.

Edited June 1 by Mark_Krieger

[[I.B.]-=ViRUS=-]

4 часа назад, Koziolek сказал:

I'm surprised that summer comes there 3 weeks earlier than anywhere else

Cultural differences. Not picking dates, just whole month (dec - feb is winter, march-may - spring, june-aug - summer and sept-nov are autumn). There are no reasons to be precise cause there Russia spreads relatively high from south to north so there are high difference in weather at the same time so concrete date is just sily. And a lot of regions are in continental climate zone. In spring in the beggining of a weak it could be just above 0C and just few days later +30C (like it was in my place where i live).

[Patricks]

I think [redacted]...   😉

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, Mark_Krieger said:

If I remember correctly, Daniel said they don't like too long Early Access periods, because they want the game to be in a decent state even at Early Acces relesase, without serious bugs that could damage their image (and I think that's a correct decision). Of course the game will continue improving once released, but I think that the Early Acces period will be quite short.

Very true.

 

6 hours ago, Aapje said:

The IL-2 Korea webpage used to say: "Coming to your PC in Spring 2026"

They since changed it at least two times, one time to change it to Q2 and now it says: "Early Access Starts June 25, 2026"

But this is not a big delay in the large scheme of things. 

Interesting!

 

26 minutes ago, [I.B.]-=ViRUS=- said:

Cultural differences. Not picking dates, just whole month (dec - feb is winter, march-may - spring, june-aug - summer and sept-nov are autumn). There are no reasons to be precise cause there Russia spreads relatively high from south to north so there are high difference in weather at the same time so concrete date is just sily. And a lot of regions are in continental climate zone. In spring in the beggining of a weak it could be just above 0C and just few days later +30C (like it was in my place where i live).

 

I'm from a part of Canada that has weather similar to some parts of Russia. The traditional thing is to break up the weather into five or six seasons. The Western European pattern just doesn't make sense... not that most people notice.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, [I.B.]-=ViRUS=- said:

Cultural differences. Not picking dates, just whole month (dec - feb is winter, march-may - spring, june-aug - summer and sept-nov are autumn). There are no reasons to be precise cause there Russia spreads relatively high from south to north so there are high difference in weather at the same time so concrete date is just sily. And a lot of regions are in continental climate zone. In spring in the beggining of a weak it could be just above 0C and just few days later +30C (like it was in my place where i live).

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

I'm from a part of Canada that has weather similar to some parts of Russia. The traditional thing is to break up the weather into five or six seasons. The Western European pattern just doesn't make sense... not that most people notice.

Starting on the 21st is based on astronomical reasons, not meteorological ones. I.e. the spring, summer, autumn and winter equinoxes. Since there are exactly 4 equinoxes that reliably fall on fixed and measurable moments in the year that mostly coincide with the seasons in a large part of the word, this arguably makes more sense than using the seasons themselves, as these indeed differ depending on the climate zone.

Especially so if you line up the 1st of the month with the equinox, which originally was the case (the Roman year started on 1 March, which was the spring equinox). Except that for a number of political reasons, by the time of Caesar it had shifted well away. Pope Gregorius, when introducing his corrections, was more interested in the death date of his god rather than re-introducing astronomical sense, so that's why we're left with the current system.

Anyhow, there are so many different ways to measure "Spring" that it really doesn't mean a thing. I'm sure they don't wait until September to release IL2:K in Australia.

[[I.B.]-=ViRUS=-]

8 минут назад, AEthelraedUnraed сказал:

Starting on the 21st is based on astronomical reasons, not meteorological ones. I.e. the spring, summer, autumn and winter equinoxes.

 

2 часа назад, [I.B.]-=ViRUS=- сказал:

Cultural differences.

 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

45 minutes ago, [I.B.]-=ViRUS=- said:

Cultural differences.

That's not something I disagree with, and is not the part of your post I was responding to 😉

What I do disagree with, is your contention that it's silly to start on the 21st rather than using whole months. In fact, starting seasons on the 21st makes a lot of sense; a lot more than taking whole months, which is different wherever you are on earth.

Especially because not all places on earth have the same meteorological "seasons" at the same time, it's a bad idea to define the seasons by months.

Edited June 1 by AEthelraedUnraed

[[I.B.]-=ViRUS=-]

21 минуту назад, AEthelraedUnraed сказал:

That's not something I disagree with, and is not the part of your post I was responding to 😉

What I do disagree with, is your contention that it's silly to start on the 21st rather than using whole months. In fact, starting seasons on the 21st makes a lot of sense; a lot more than taking whole months, which is different wherever you are on earth.

Especially because not all places on earth have the same meteorological "seasons" at the same time, it's a bad idea to define the seasons by months.

I'm not even arguing, this is just how it is. Weather in Europe is more mild and might change far less so it make more sense for you to use it that way. But here we have strong difference in weather and nature appearance  during a year and it is +- allighned with month "borders" so we devide seasons by mothes. But I think we are massively of topic rn.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

6 minutes ago, [I.B.]-=ViRUS=- said:

I'm not even arguing, this is just how it is. Weather in Europe is more mild and might change far less so it make more sense for you to use it that way. But here we have strong difference in weather and nature appearance  during a year and it is +- allighned with month "borders" so we devide seasons by mothes. But I think we are massively of topic rn.

Well, the exact division of seasons is being used by some to argue that 1CGS is not keeping their promises because in their opinion spring ends on 1 June. So I think it's pretty on topic in a thread about the announced early access date.

Fact is, there are different ways you can define seasons, and the current EA date of 25 June falls within one of them (defining "spring" as the "spring quartile," i.e. Q2).

[[I.B.]-=ViRUS=-]

26 минут назад, AEthelraedUnraed сказал:

1CGS is not keeping their promises because in their opinion spring ends on 1 June

Welcome to modern development schedule delivery. AAA projects do that too (BL4 for example, but that is a different can of worms).

[Avimimus]

56 minutes ago, [I.B.]-=ViRUS=- said:

But I think we are massively of topic rn.

Pretty much - but I'll add: Why divide the year into four seasons? If one is using astronomical movement it'd make just as much sense to have two seasons or a percentage of a full orbit (not that percentages make sense - 100 being counting to ten on your fingers ten times - base 10 is pretty arbitrary...)

...and if one wants to use a astronomical phenomena - then a lunar month would make more sense, no?

I do see the point though of tracking winter and summer solstice... I'll grant there is some argument for that. I'm just not sure that it inevitably has to be subdivided into four seasons (instead of, say, six). I'll also say that, if one is living closer to the land, then it really matters what season it is - even if the lengths of the seasons are variable, the seasonality is more significant than having a completely predictable counting of time.

2 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Anyhow, there are so many different ways to measure "Spring" that it really doesn't mean a thing. I'm sure they don't wait until September to release IL2:K in Australia.

I think this is really a good point.

[AndreiTomescu]

for me, this year in particular, spring ends on the 21 of June. My calendar is on the Il-2 Korea clock.

[Aapje]

5 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Anyhow, there are so many different ways to measure "Spring" that it really doesn't mean a thing. I'm sure they don't wait until September to release IL2:K in Australia.

Big respect for the Australians who have to fly upside down all the time.

[Catch]

23 minutes ago, Aapje said:

Big respect for the Australians who have to fly upside down all the time.

Thanks. But after a while it feels normal. No big deal. Ya get used to it. 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Pretty much - but I'll add: Why divide the year into four seasons? If one is using astronomical movement it'd make just as much sense to have two seasons or a percentage of a full orbit (not that percentages make sense - 100 being counting to ten on your fingers ten times - base 10 is pretty arbitrary...)

...and if one wants to use a astronomical phenomena - then a lunar month would make more sense, no?

I do see the point though of tracking winter and summer solstice... I'll grant there is some argument for that. I'm just not sure that it inevitably has to be subdivided into four seasons (instead of, say, six). I'll also say that, if one is living closer to the land, then it really matters what season it is - even if the lengths of the seasons are variable, the seasonality is more significant than having a completely predictable counting of time.

I think this is really a good point.

At the risk of completely going off topic now, but being somewhat of a nerd I enjoy talking about numbers and history 🤪...

Yes, a lunar month does make some sense. Which is likely the reason we have 12 months 🙂 It's still used in some cultures, mostly from areas where the seasons are less pronounced (e.g. the Islamic calendar). Which points to its main drawback: wherever in the world you are and however the seasons occur at that place, seasons follow a solar cycle. If you want to plan ahead and predict whether or not you have enough food to survive the winter, you need to follow a solar calendar. Most calendars in the history of timekeeping are born from an attempt to reconcile the astronomical year with the 12 times the moon circles around the earth in that time.

Why there are four seasons in the vast majority of calendars is a good question indeed. I suspect it has something to do with agriculture in the temperate zones where most calendars were developed - ploughing, sowing, growing, harvest. There are other options though - the ancient Egyptians had three seasons, the Hindu calendar uses six.

And to go even more off topic, yes base 10 is pretty arbitrary. The Babylonians counted in base 60, while using base 12 for finger counting (the 12 joints of your little through index fingers, that you can place your thumb on).

[Koziolek]

14 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Well, the exact division of seasons is being used by some to argue that 1CGS is not keeping their promises because in their opinion spring ends on 1 June.

We can also let 1CGS say that IN THEIR OPINION summer starts in July so the release in 25th of June is still in the spring 🤣

Edited June 2 by Koziolek

[BlitzPig_EL]

I am ceaselessly amazed at how folks get tripped up in minutiae like this.

Counted any rivets lately?

Thank your lucky stars if this is all you have to worry about in your life.

  

Edited June 2 by BlitzPig_EL

[Koziolek]

3 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I am ceaselessly amazed at how folks get tripped up in minutiae like this.

Counted any rivets lately?

Thank your lucky stars if this is all you have to worry about in your life.

  

I hope that it is not an answer to my post above, because I started this current discussion by being sarcastic that someone complains that the spring is over and there is no early access

[AEthelraedUnraed]

2 hours ago, Koziolek said:

We can also let 1CGS say that IN THEIR OPINION summer starts in July so the release in 25th of June is still in the spring 🤣

Except that it is their statement so it's only their opinion that matters 🙂

11 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I am ceaselessly amazed at how folks get tripped up in minutiae like this.

Counted any rivets lately?

Thank your lucky stars if this is all you have to worry about in your life.

Well as I said I like both mathematics and history, and calendars are a bit of both 😛

As for how people get all riled up about how 1CGS first announced a release in "spring" and now announces 25 June as the definite date... if during this day and age that's a major concern of theirs, they should indeed count their lucky stars. Although which lucky stars appear in the sky depends on the astronomical date in the first place, and now we're back where we started