A few questions that I now got a new rig...

[daiphan]

Hi all,

Playing on the 75" TV and cannot wait to try the 98" . Dai

Edited Monday at 12:43 AM by daiphan

[daiphan]

Howdy all,

When I look at key mapping, there are so many commands to control the engine (and others) that to me way over my head. Do you all seriously use all the commands? For me gears up/down, flaps up/down, canopy close/open already give me a headache. Dai 

PS: I started flying sims in 1991 and what a difference 35 years make! 

[Shinobimono]

2 часа назад, daiphan сказал:

Do you all seriously use all the commands?

If an aircraft isn't equipped with the automatic prop pitch and radiators controls you definitely should use all commands for specific aircraft. And even if it is equipped, manual controls could help you to go faster, for example.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

5 hours ago, daiphan said:

Howdy all,

When I look at key mapping, there are so many commands to control the engine (and others) that to me way over my head. Do you all seriously use all the commands? For me gears up/down, flaps up/down, canopy close/open already give me a headache. Dai 

PS: I started flying sims in 1991 and what a difference 35 years make! 

Canopy open/close isn't really needed for one, except for roleplaying reasons. During takeoff, you'll automatically close the canopy once you get past a certain speed. For the rest it depends on the aircraft whether or not it's necessary. That's one reason why I recommended the Bf-109 to start with: it has automatic handling of prop pitch and mixture. The Yak does have manual prop pitch, but generally you can just set it at 100% and forget about it.

Edited Monday at 06:53 AM by AEthelraedUnraed

[Gutholz]

Yes, it is confusing at start. That is why I said to label/tape every new button that you map.

Not every plane needs all controls. You can slowly add more controls as you learn.

I started with the Fw190 and would strongly recommend it to every beginner. Only problematic thing is how strong it pull to the side during take-off but every plane does that more or less. You can counter it with brakes+rudder.

good things about the Fw190:

-The engine is automated: you only need the throttle.

-The flaps have three fixed positions: 1) flight (retracted) 2)take-off 3)landing. No need to know how much percentage etc. 

-The tailwheel locks by simply holding the stick fully back (needs no extra button) Just remember on take-off to put the stick to neutral once you reach 150km/h (or so), else the plane will accidently want to take off before you are fast enough.

-it has a radio navigation thingy that always leads you home to the nearest airfield (if the airfield has the radio tower)

 

Bf109 is also good but the Fw190 has the better landing gear and more suitable for ground attacks, which are best way to learn in my opinion.

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During takeoff, you'll automatically close the canopy once you get past a certain speed.

Is that a setting? My pilot does not do that. In the 109 I have ripped off the canopy some times because I had forgotten to close it. In slower planes (Ju87 Stuka) you can open the canopy during flight to get a better look, the head movement gets less restricted.

 

Edited Monday at 07:16 AM by Gutholz

[AndreiTomescu]

Howdy, Dai.

Let me put it like this: yes, they are alot, just like in real life. It's a sim, so not having some is considered a problem/bug. 

The hole purpose of this game is to recreate the experience. NOT necessarily to shoot everyone down from the sky. Famous aces had 13 kills in 3500 combat missions, for example.

So the real deal, at least for me, was to learn how to fly. (Did that back in the old 1946 game).

IMHO, if you get a kill per sortie, you're good. 2 or 3, you're a star. (I'm talking about fighting against AI).

So I would put some controls on auto (radiators, cowls, pitch) and once you get to know/feel a specific aircraft, turn them on, one at a time. See how it goes.

Obviously you can't jump from one aircraft to another!!! They are VERY different! No real pilot could/did....

I think the time to learn a plane would be about 50 flight hrs, and to master it, much, much more.....like 300-500 hrs

I would start with a Hurricane or 109 E, and I would put the IAR as one of the most difficult ones.

 

[Aapje]

51 minutes ago, AndreiTomescu said:

Obviously you can't jump from one aircraft to another!!! They are VERY different! No real pilot could/did....

That's why I keep some assists on. I do want to jump from airplane to airplane without having to remember all the intricate details. 

[Shinobimono]

1 час назад, Gutholz сказал:

Is that a setting?

 

1 час назад, AEthelraedUnraed сказал:

Canopy open/close isn't really needed for one, except for roleplaying reasons.

That's for War Thunder. Not in Il-2: Great battles. You definitely must close canopy yourself.

Maybe when some helpers are checked in, the game will do it automatically. But I'm not really sure and on multiplayer servers you should do it manually 100%.

[daiphan]

Hi all,

Yes I do want to learn how to operate the plane rather than just fly and shoot like arcade games. Say I want to fly 109E, are there instructions to show me step by step on how to operate the plane like what I need to turn on or off, settings that must do etc...? I have looked through the menus and there are no training missions (flying lessons). So how do you all know what settings, buttons to set? At this time I set auto pilot to take off then disengage when dog fighting time comes. Dai 

4 hours ago, AndreiTomescu said:

So I would put some controls on auto (radiators, cowls, pitch) and once you get to know/feel a specific aircraft, turn them on, one at a time. See how it goes.

 

So to learn is just playing around with the settings and see what it does to the airplane? Dai 

Edited Monday at 12:07 PM by daiphan

[AndreiTomescu]

Ask around. Who still has those "Kursant Cadet" campaign. Awesome. Made to learn each aircraft, one at a time. I don't, sorry.

Search on the old forum/Google for Requiem lessons. They are perfect.

Those will do just fine.

Oh, and also search for a .pdf book, called "In Pursuit" . It is (at least for me) the bible of air combat. Made by an virtual pilot, long time ago. Explaining everything, like awareness, psihological management, maneuvers, tactics, everything 

[daiphan]

Hi all,

Besides the Virpil Hotas, what other high quality and proven set (throttle and joy stick) that you would recommend? Dai 

11 minutes ago, AndreiTomescu said:

Ask around. Who still has those "Kursant Cadet" campaign. Awesome. Made to learn each aircraft, one at a time. I don't, sorry.

Search on the old forum/Google for Requiem lessons. They are perfect.

Those will do just fine.

Oh, and also search for a .pdf book, called "In Pursuit" . It is (at least for me) the bible of air combat. Made by an virtual pilot, long time ago. Explaining everything, like awareness, psihological management, maneuvers, tactics, everything 

I found this and will be watching every single video. Thanks Dai 

Steam Community :: Guide :: Requiem's Air Combat Tutorial Library (Updated 12 Jan 2023)

Edited Monday at 12:50 PM by daiphan

[AEthelraedUnraed]

7 hours ago, Shinobimono said:

That's for War Thunder. Not in Il-2: Great battles. You definitely must close canopy yourself.

Maybe when some helpers are checked in, the game will do it automatically. But I'm not really sure and on multiplayer servers you should do it manually 100%.

I don't play War Thunder and I have difficulty on max. I'm 100% sure that when I forgot to close the I-153 "canopy" before takeoff the other day, the game did it automatically. But maybe it only does that for those planes that are not designed to fly with their canopy open.

[AndreiTomescu]

4 hours ago, daiphan said:

Besides the Virpil Hotas,

From my personal pow, it's like this:

1. Virpil (my favourite all metal inside)

2. VKB

3. Logitech

but there are wide and large talks on your post, this one, about this. People have detailed answered you, with pros and cons. People with huge number of hrs behind those devices.

Read those again, pls.

Requiem tutorials are exceptional.

[daiphan]

1 hour ago, AndreiTomescu said:

From my personal pow, it's like this:

1. Virpil (my favourite all metal inside)

2. VKB

3. Logitech

but there are wide and large talks on your post, this one, about this. People have detailed answered you, with pros and cons. People with huge number of hrs behind those devices.

Read those again, pls.

Requiem tutorials are exceptional.

Yes I have read and re-read the opinions on the Hotas system from my other thread and this thread. There are so many personal opinions on what is good for a particular person. I have also watch YT reviews on many system out there too. Just want some additional opinions if anyone has to offer like the Warthog from Thrustmaster or Turtle Beach, Hori, FR-Tec, TCA... Thank you for your reply. Dai 

1 hour ago, AndreiTomescu said:

From my personal pow, it's like this:

1. Virpil (my favourite all metal inside)

2. VKB

3. Logitech

but there are wide and large talks on your post, this one, about this. People have detailed answered you, with pros and cons. People with huge number of hrs behind those devices.

Read those again, pls.

Requiem tutorials are exceptional.

I probably will go for the Virpil as they are proven to be the best from opinions on this forum and online. Dai 

Edited Monday at 06:33 PM by daiphan

[AndreiTomescu]

13 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I'm 100% sure that when I forgot to close the I-153 "canopy" before takeoff the other day, the game did it automatically

The nice and lovely I-153 has no canopy. It's open space! 🙂 

The "doors", access hatches, that are not controlled by button, those do open and close automatically.

The canopy, never closes automatically.

No matter how it opens, sliding, leaning, rolling, all has to be opened /closed by hand, except if you are on autopilot, of course.

I really enjoy taking off in the Hurricane with the canopy open, I've read that older pilots did this because they were used to the open environment while taking off for better control. 

So a open/close canopy switch on the hotas is necessary

[Shinobimono]

I have collective lever and joystick from VPC, rudder pedals and throttle from Winwing (now Winctrl). Don't why someone says that Chinese (Winctrl) devices aren't top quality. I really like it and I find its programming utility great.

[daiphan]

4 minutes ago, Shinobimono said:

I have collective lever and joystick from VPC, rudder pedals and throttle from Winwing (now Winctrl). Don't why someone says that Chinese (Winctrl) devices aren't top quality. I really like it and I find its programming utility great.

Winwing stuff is expensive and looks to be very high in quality ! Dai 

[AndreiTomescu]

Winwing is top-top, but muuuuch expensive and much harder to get in my country. 

From Lithuania an order gets to other EU country in 3 days. And no border taxes.

This is also something to be taken into account, I think 

[daiphan]

1 minute ago, AndreiTomescu said:

Winwing is top-top, but muuuuch expensive and much harder to get in my country. 

From Lithuania an order gets to other EU country in 3 days. And no border taxes.

This is also something to be taken into account, I think 

The more I investigate into different Hotas, I discover to be a sea of options out there. Dai 

[Shinobimono]

7 минут назад, daiphan сказал:

Winwing stuff is expensive and looks to be very high in quality ! Dai 

For my country the VPC and Winctrl prices are the same. Checked international price for VPC and Winctrl on their websites, can't really see big difference. 🤔 

I have ordered Winctrl devices from Aliexpress back then. Delivery price was acceptable.

In terms of joystick I wouldn't be in hurry. Both companies develop own Force feedback joysticks for a couple of years now. I hope that we will see their designs soon. Of course, today Moza FFB, Beast FFB and Rhino FFB are available for the market, but I would like to wait for these two companies.

[daiphan]

39 minutes ago, Shinobimono said:

For my country the VPC and Winctrl prices are the same. Checked international price for VPC and Winctrl on their websites, can't really see big difference. 🤔 

I have ordered Winctrl devices from Aliexpress back then. Delivery price was acceptable.

In terms of joystick I wouldn't be in hurry. Both companies develop own Force feedback joysticks for a couple of years now. I hope that we will see their designs soon. Of course, today Moza FFB, Beast FFB and Rhino FFB are available for the market, but I would like to wait for these two companies.

Right now I have the simple Thrustmaster HOTAS 1 and the pedal. They seem to do the job right for me but eventually I will need to upgrade to something a little more complex. I also think of getting into MFS and GA and that opens a new set of controls. For these I settle on the Honeycomb A/B/C system. Dai

PS: I just shot down a Ju-52 so that means I must be doing something right. 

Edited Monday at 08:26 PM by daiphan

[AndreiTomescu]

first kill. bravo! get the Guiness, mate !!

[daiphan]

31 minutes ago, AndreiTomescu said:

first kill. bravo! get the Guiness, mate !!

I drank 4 already. I am getting slightly the hang of it. So far the only kills were Ju-52 and He-111. Not a single fighter yet even at novice level ! Dai 

[daiphan]

Hi gang,

The throttle quadrant is here and completed my entry level set up. Very basic but it works as I keep bringing down Ju-52s and Stukas. No fighter yet though. Dai  

[kalerider1]

21 hours ago, daiphan said:

Hi all,

Besides the Virpil Hotas, what other high quality and proven set (throttle and joy stick) that you would recommend? Dai 

I found this and will be watching every single video. Thanks Dai 

Steam Community :: Guide :: Requiem's Air Combat Tutorial Library (Updated 12 Jan 2023)

Very happy VKB user here (throttle, stick and rudder pedals).

For practice I can recommend utopioneers tutorial missions. https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/58501-flight-school-campaigns-english-german-french-italian-spanish/