Odessa and Leningrad Module

[sandmarken]

1 hour ago, BlackSix said:

There were MiG-1s and MiG-3s of the early series but we'll use MiG-3 from the BoM.

Great! The Mig-3 will be a good fighter for the Soviet maybe the fastest? Did luftwaffe have the 109F4 down south or is this the place where the F2 will be top dog? 😁

[BlackSix]

1 hour ago, sandmarken said:

Great! The Mig-3 will be a good fighter for the Soviet maybe the fastest? Did luftwaffe have the 109F4 down south or is this the place where the F2 will be top dog? 😁

In reality, the introduction of the MiG-3s into fighter regiments in the summer of 1941 led to extremely negative consequences. These fighters only began arriving just before the outbreak of war, were considered secret, and too few pilots had time to master them. Furthermore, the MiG-3 was designed for high-altitude combat, while on the Eastern Front, all combat took place at altitudes no higher than 3,000 - 4,000 meters. If the Soviet regiments had received Yak-1s or remained with the I-16s or even I-153s, their results would have been much better.

About German fighters, AFAIK:
Stab./JG 52 and III./JG 52 - Bf 109 F-4
Stab./JG 77 - Bf 109 E-7, F-4
II./JG 77 - Bf 109 E-1?, Bf 109 E-4, E-7, F-4
III./JG 77 - Bf 109 E-4/B, E-7, F-4
I(J)./LG 2 - Bf 109 E-4/E-7

[sandmarken]

36 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

About German fighters, AFAIK:
Stab./JG 52 and III./JG 52 - Bf 109 F-4
Stab./JG 77 - Bf 109 E-7, F-4
II./JG 77 - Bf 109 E-1?, Bf 109 E-4, E-7, F-4
III./JG 77 - Bf 109 E-4/B, E-7, F-4
I(J)./LG 2 - Bf 109 E-4/E-7

Interesting, woud they just skip the F2? Was it possible because the F2 requires C3 fuel? 

I was under the impression that the F4 was pretty rare in july-august. 

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, sandmarken said:

Interesting, woud they just skip the F2? Was it possible because the F2 requires C3 fuel? 

I was under the impression that the F4 was pretty rare in july-august. 

The Lexikon der Wehrmacht webpage says III./JG 77 was partially converted to the F-4 around early June. No details on II. Gruppe but it was probably the same.

III./JG 52 - same general time frame of it saying when it converted to the F-4.

As I recall, you mainly see F-2s in the East with JG 54 and JG 51.

[sandmarken]

38 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

The Lexikon der Wehrmacht webpage says III./JG 77 was partially converted to the F-4 around early June. No details on II. Gruppe but it was probably the same.

III./JG 52 - same general time frame of it saying when it converted to the F-4.

As I recall, you mainly see F-2s in the East with JG 54 and JG 51.

Thanks! With this info, I will have to change some details in my scripted campaign. My source only stated that the squadron had a mix of E and F models, so I figured they would probably have the earlier F2.

Edited December 11 by sandmarken

[kraut1]

17 hours ago, sandmarken said:

Thanks! With this info, I will have to change some details in my scripted campaign. My source only stated that the squadron had a mix of E and F models, so I figured they would probably have the earlier F2.

Hi Sandmarken,
Are you working on a 1941 Luftwaffe Odessa Fighter campaign?
I will be soon active in this area too and I would try to select another unit as you use in your campaign.
So if you have already decided which Gruppe / Jagdgeschwader I would like to know to avoid having 2 similar but deviating campaigns of one unit.

[sandmarken]

7 minutes ago, kraut1 said:

Hi Sandmarken,
Are you working on a 1941 Luftwaffe Odessa Fighter campaign

I was just refering to hurricane diaries. Even if you fly with a romanian squadron, there is luftwaffe activities in the air, and i want those ambient flights to represent the correct types of plane. (Not an easy task with the sources i have used) , but with the help of luke and blacksix i belive i have to change those 109f2s that sometimes fly past you to 109F4s. 

Currently working on redoing my earlier "war in the channel" and after that i think il look at the Karelia/Leningrad map. So no worries, you can work with what squadron you want, and i look forward to it! 😁

[Juri_JS]

For my almost finished JG 52 campaign project on the Odessa map taking place in 1944 I still need standard Romanian skins for the Bf-109 G-6, Ju-87 D and Hs-129. Does anyone know if the devs plan to add such skins?

Moreover I noticed that we are also missing 1944 eastern front skins for the Bf-109 G-6 late, Fw-190 A-6 and Fw-190 A-8.  

Edited December 12 by Juri_JS

[Calos_01]

1 hour ago, sandmarken said:

Currently working on redoing my earlier "war in the channel"

That´s really great news! I really enjoyed that campaign and I'm looking forward to the new version.

[sandmarken]

1 hour ago, Calos_01 said:

That´s really great news! I really enjoyed that campaign and I'm looking forward to the new version.

Thanks! 😄

[sandmarken]

3 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

Does anyone know if the devs plan to add such skins?

Luke at least confirmed that a Romanian Hs129 squadron is going to be available for the career. I think they will have to make a skin for it then.

 

The skinning community has been very helpful and fast whenever I have asked for anything. You can try there as well. 🙂

Edited December 12 by sandmarken

[Juri_JS]

36 minutes ago, sandmarken said:

The skinning community has been very helpful and fast whenever I have asked for anything. You can try there as well. 🙂

I could create the skins myself, but I try to avoid adding skins to campaign downloads to keep the download size low.

[LukeFF]

If new skins come for Romania and for the Eastern front German planes, it won't be until after the start of the new year. 

[sandmarken]

36 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

If new skins come for Romania and for the Eastern front German planes, it won't be until after the start of the new year. 

Thats just two weeks from now! 😁

[MDzmitry]

1 час назад, LukeFF сказал:

If new skins come for Romania and for the Eastern front German planes, it won't be until after the start of the new year. 

P.S. - if it actually happens, we could also use some later camouflages for P-39, at least a basic olive one with 1943+ outlined stars. Yak-1B, Yak-9 and both La-5F/FN got later gray versions with outlined stars, so I can't really understand why the Cobra is the only one left out.

Edited December 12 by MDzmitry

[Jaegermeister]

14 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

For my almost finished JG 52 campaign project on the Odessa map taking place in 1944 I still need standard Romanian skins for the Bf-109 G-6, Ju-87 D and Hs-129. Does anyone know if the devs plan to add such skins?

Moreover I noticed that we are also missing 1944 eastern front skins for the Bf-109 G-6 late, Fw-190 A-6 and Fw-190 A-8.  

I sent you a PM about this

[kraut1]

We have partly discussed now the topic which soviet fighter plane were present or not present in Odessa 1941.
Especially for the Yak-1 and the Mig-3

What I would like to know is: could we get a rough overview about the composition / the ratios of the RU plane types?

I am already interested to search historical sources independently and I think the:

http://allaces.ru

is a great source and with automatic translation it is possible get information about individual units.
But it seems to me that due to the complex structure of fronts, armies, divisions, regiments it is a very time consuming job...

My approach to find at least some informations for Odessa, just a limited example:

1.) Southern Front
http://allaces.ru/sssr/struct/h/fjug.php

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2.) 20 Mixed Aviation Division
http://allaces.ru/sssr/struct/d/sad20.php

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2.a 4 Fighter Red Banner Aviation Regiment (I153, I16, Mig3)
http://allaces.ru/sssr/struct/p/iap4.php

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2b) 45-th Bomber Aviation Regiment (not operational)

2c) 55th Fighter Aviation Regiment (I153, I16, Mig3)
http://allaces.ru/sssr/struct/p/iap55.php

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2d) 88 Fighter Aviation Regiment (I16 , only 1 Mig3)
 

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2e) 149 Fighter Pomeranny Red Banner Aviation Regiment  (I153, I16, Mig3)

2f)170 Fighter Aviation Regiment (I16, Lagg3?)
 

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It's interesting, but very time consuming...

Hi @LukeFF Is it possible for you to give us some rough information, which RU plane types were in used in the 1941 Odessa campaign?
Just the plane types, maybe per month, I don't want to create too much work for you.
July:
August:
September:
October:

Many thanks in advance!

 

Edited December 14 by kraut1

[kraut1]

On 12/6/2025 at 11:28 AM, sandmarken said:

For early Odessa, the Il-16 seems to have been the main aircraft for the Soviets. They also used the MiG-3 (but probably an earlier version than ours).

 

The Romanians used the IAR-80, and the Luftwaffe used the 109E7 in the Odessa area. Both the Romanians and the Luftwaffe used the He-111. For 1944 i think the Hs129 was used? 

Hi @sandmarken and @AndreiTomescu,

for my Odessa 41  campaign missions I would like to know which planes were really used by the Romanian Air Force in the Map area?
Hurricane yes
HE111 yes
IAR yes (which version? only fighter or with bombs too)
BF109E4 ? (E4 could be used for E3 too)
other available plane types?

Many thanks in advance!

[sandmarken]

55 minutes ago, kraut1 said:

Hi @sandmarken and @AndreiTomescu,

for my Odessa 41  campaign missions I would like to know which planes were really used by the Romanian Air Force in the Map area?
Hurricane yes
HE111 yes
IAR yes (which version? only fighter or with bombs too)
BF109E4 ? (E4 could be used for E3 too)
other available plane types?

Many thanks in advance!

I guess AndreiTomescu can give the best answer, but of the planes we have in game you are right with your list. 

As far as I understand, they did not yet have IAR-81s with bomb capability. The IAR-80s would have been the ones with machine guns. Maybe heavy mg once later in the campaign (ask Andrei for this) The main Romanian attack aircraft the first days was the unsuited He 112. (I used the mc202 with a special skin and 20mm guns for hurricane diaries)

As far as i understand the E3s the romanians had woud have been upgraded enough to be simular to E4s. 

The Hurricanes were the Mk.I and not Mk.II, as we have. In their defense, those planes were brand new and in good condition at the start of the war. And they were certainly with auto prop pitch (probably Rotol prop), so it would be one of the best-performing Hurricane Mk.Is. But they would have had lower boost (I think maybe 8 or 9 lbs vs. Mk.II 12 lbs) and no second supercharger gear. Again, it is probably appropriate to use them; they were, even if few, extremely effective in those first days, scoring something like 35 victories with no losses. 

Edited December 14 by sandmarken

[LLv44_Kanttori]

The development work of Fiat G.50 continues at a good pace and the external model is now just the external cockpit under construction. Next spring, the real cockpit will start being built. In January 2026, we will start negotiations with the 1CGS developers about making a Fiat flight model and also other FAF aircrafts, of which the Brewster 239 has been in the works for some time by the Finnish KarttaKompania modelers. Pictures of that will be coming during the spring.

The Fiat modeler is an Italian professional who has made aircrafts (for ex. Lockheed F-104 Starfighter picture) for DCS sims. He is also interested in modeling the Curtiss Hawk 75A (P36) next. Patience guys, I will start concentrating on the production of Finnish aircraft at the beginning of January. I am a pensioner and I want to be able to fly Finnish Air Force aircraft as soon as possible!  🙂

 

Edited December 14 by LLv44_Kanttori

[LukeFF]

16 hours ago, sandmarken said:

As far as I understand, they did not yet have IAR-81s with bomb capability. The IAR-80s would have been the ones with machine guns. Maybe heavy mg once later in the campaign (ask Andrei for this)

IAR 80s with heavy machine guns weren't built until after the 1941 campaign ended for the Romanians, so in career you'll be equipped with the standard model with just the light machine guns (good luck! 😄) 

The 1944 IAR 80 career will feature units equipped with a mix of IAR-80Ms and IAR-81Cs. 

18 hours ago, kraut1 said:

Hi @LukeFF Is it possible for you to give us some rough information, which RU plane types were in used in the 1941 Odessa campaign?
Just the plane types, maybe per month, I don't want to create too much work for you.
July:
August:
September:
October:

Many thanks in advance!

Sure, as is planned right now:

69 IAP: I-16s, June - October

46 oshae VMF: Il-2s, August - September

40th BAP VVS VMF: Pe-2s, August to September

8 IAP VMF: I-16s, August to October

32 IAP VMF: I-16s, August to October

9 IAP VMF: Yak-1s, I-153s, and I-16s, August to October

247 IAP: LaGG-3s, September to October

[sandmarken]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

in career you'll be equipped with the standard model with just the light machine guns (good luck! 😄) 

Against I-16s and I-153s, it isn't the worst plane. The airframe is good; it's just the engine. If it had a tad more power and an automatic prop pitch, I would say it would be a good early war fighter.

[I/JG53_Kurtz]

Wonderful Update! Thank you Kanttori! a Karelia map with no FAF aircrafts would be a pity. Keep going! We'll be infinitely grateful.

[Kubert]

I like to see finnish aircrafts to be in development, but what concern me is that when I asked few months back if Finnish voice communication will be included in the S&L modul, Luke said it won't be. But in one old post (I think from 2024), you @LLv44_Kanttori , mentioned that it is planned. So, what is situation about that? Was finnish voice comms planned but scratched? Or will be added later? Or some technical difficulties make impossible to implement it? 

[LLv44_Kanttori]

22 hours ago, Kubert said:

I like to see finnish aircrafts to be in development, but what concern me is that when I asked few months back if Finnish voice communication will be included in the S&L modul, Luke said it won't be. But in one old post (I think from 2024), you @LLv44_Kanttori , mentioned that it is planned. So, what is situation about that? Was finnish voice comms planned but scratched? Or will be added later? Or some technical difficulties make impossible to implement it? 

KarttaKompania's small working group currently does not have enough resources to make Finnish radio speeches, but they will be started next spring. We already have a few young "voice actors" reserved from the player community. This work is also based on volunteerism, like everything in this Finnish project. 1CGS needs us because no one else in the world can speak the rare Finnish language.

We already have the insignia and medals made by KarttaKomppania's LLv44_Malix ready to go, here are some examples. The Mannerheim Cross (first pic) was the highest medal in recent wars and since we are an equal country, both soldiers and generals received it regardless of their military rank. Read more about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannerheim_Cross

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 16 by LLv44_Kanttori
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